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HO LAI CHUEN CADIA t/a RESOLUTION SOFTWARE CONSULTANTS v. XEROX (HONG KONG) LTD.

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HCA006454C/1997

HCA 6454/1997

IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE

HONG KONG SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGION

COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE

ACTION NO. 6454 OF 1997

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BETWEEN
HO LAI CHUEN CADIA trading as
RESOLUTION SOFTWARE CONSULTANTS
Plaintiff
AND
XEROX (HONG KONG) LIMITEDDefendant

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Coram: Deputy High Court Judge A Cheung in Chambers

Date of Hearing: 12 July 2002

Date of Judgment: 12 July 2002

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J U D G M E N T

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1. This is an application for leave to appeal against an order I made relating to costs.

2. On 16 January 2002, I handed down judgment after trial in this action. On 19 April 2002, I handed down another judgment in which I varied the costs order nisi I made in favour of the Plaintiff in my first judgment by reducing the entitlement of costs of the successful Plaintiff by 15%. The Plaintiff now wishes to take this matter to the Court of Appeal and applies for leave to do so from me.

3. The parties are in agreement that the appropriate test to adopt is the one laid down in Smith v. Cosworth Casting Processes Ltd [1997] 1 WLR 1538, which has been adopted by the Honourable Mr Justice Leong JA (as he then was) in Ma Bik Yung v. Ko Chuen HCMP 4303/1999 (8 September 1999), i.e. whether the intended appeal has any realistic prospect of success and whether there are any other good reasons for giving leave to appeal. Of course the two cases were not concerned directly with an intended appeal against an order of costs only, but I agree with the parties that the same principle must be applicable in this type of application, even though the subject of the intended appeal relates to an exercise of discretion on costs.

4. I have heard the parties' competing submissions on the point. Having done so, whilst my views on the correctness of my second judgment in varying my original costs order nisi have not changed at all, that is not really the test; the test is whether the intended appeal has any realistic prospect of success. Having heard in particular the submission of Mr Kerr, counsel for the Plaintiff, I cannot say there is no realistic prospect of success in the intended appeal; and in any event, I agree with Mr Kerr that this particular decision of mine raises an interesting question of law, i.e. under what circumstances a plaintiff may legitimately be deprived of part of the costs of the action even though he has managed to beat a payment in albeit by a small margin, and when the de minimus principle is inapplicable. This, according to the authorities, is also a good ground for giving leave to appeal.

5. Before parting with this application, I would simply mention this. I have been supplied with a draft Notice of Appeal. It contains three grounds. I am not sure if the 3rd ground is factually correct, i.e. that the information ultimately relied on by the Court which led to the Plaintiff being successful in his claim in respect of the service and maintenance claims was information that was available to the Defendant at all times. Speaking as the trial judge, I think this is factually incorrect but since I am giving leave to appeal, I would leave it to the parties and the Court of Appeal to find out the exact position from the trial record and my two judgments.

6. For all these reasons, I accede to the present application for leave to appeal. Costs be in the costs of the intended appeal. I also direct that the Notice of Appeal be filed and served by the Plaintiff within seven days from the date hereof.

(A Cheung)
Deputy Judge of the Court of First Instance
High Court

Representation:

Mr John Kerr, instructed by Messrs Lee & Chow, for the Plaintiff

Mr David Chu of Messrs Lovells, for the Defendant

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HO LAI CHUEN CADIA v. XEROX (HONG KONG) LTD.

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HCA006454B/1997

HCA 6454/1997

IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE

HONG KONG SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGION

COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE

HIGH COURT ACTION NO. 6454 OF 1997

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BETWEEN
HO LAI CHUEN CADIA trading as RESOLUTION SOFTWARE CONSULTANTSPlaintiff
AND
XEROX (HONG KONG) LIMITEDDefendant

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Coram: Deputy High Court Judge Andrew Cheung in Court

Date of Hearing: 15 April 2002

Date of Handing Down Judgment: 19 April 2002

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J U D G M E N T

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1. This is an application by the Defendant to vary the order nisi as to costs I made in the Judgment that I handed down after trial on 16th January 2002. In the Judgment, I ordered that judgment be entered for the Plaintiff against the Defendant for damages in the total sum of US$470,156.03 as well as interest thereon at the rate of 2% per annum over the prime rate. I dismissed the counterclaim. I also ordered that the Defendant pay to the Plaintiff the costs of the action as well as the counterclaim, to be taxed if not agreed.

2. The Defendant argues that the Plaintiff should be deprived of the whole or alternatively half of his costs of the action and counterclaim incurred after 2nd April 1998. The Defendant bases its argument on two payments in. The first one in the sum of US$195,000 was made on 4th March 1998; the second one in the sum of US$225,000 was made on 2nd April 1998. The two therefore totalled US$420,000.

3. The judgment sum of US$470,156.03 comprises three amounts, i.e. US$380,156.03 for the outstanding licence fees, US$50,000 for the implementation service claim and US$40,000 for the annual maintenance claim.

4. There is little dispute that the Defendant's payments in were made on the basis of the outstanding licence fees plus interest and a small top-up. No provision was made for the service claim or the maintenance claim.

5. The Defendant correctly says that the Plaintiff claimed US$422,200 and US$512,742 under the service claim and maintenance claim respectively, but put in no or very little evidence to justify his claims. The Defendant argues that that was the reason why no provision was made in the payments in for these two claims. Had the Plaintiff disclosed material on the lost profits on service and maintenance, the Defendant would have included these claims in making the payments in. To that extent, the Defendant was embarrassed. The Defendant also submits that even at trial the Plaintiff did not attempt to adduce any evidence on these claims. Had there not been questions from the bench after the re-examination of one of the key witnesses, it is very likely that the Plaintiff would have failed to prove these claims and would have failed to beat the payments in.

6. The Defendant also argues that the Court should bear in mind that according to the pleadings, the Plaintiff claimed a total sum of US$1,986,838, but only got judgment for US$470,156.03. In relation to the maintenance claim for the second to the sixth years, the claim for service charges for modification and the claim for additional licence fees, totalling US$1,098,825, the Plaintiff was wholly unsuccessful.

7. Further, the Defendant invites me to look at the without prejudice (save as to costs) correspondence between the parties' solicitors relating to attempts to settle. The Defendant argues that the correspondence shows that despite many invitations from the Defendant, the Plaintiff resolutely refused to take part in meaningful settlement negotiations. Instead, the Plaintiff insisted on being paid at the entire contract sum and costs on a solicitor and own client basis before he would engage in talks; and the Plaintiff's subsequent position did not materially change. Had the Plaintiff adopted a more positive attitude, so the Defendant argues, the dispute may well have been settled without the need for this expensive trial, which lasted fifteen days.

8. Costs are in the discretion of the Court. But the discretion must be exercised judicially. The cardinal rule is that costs should follow the event: Order 62, rule 3(2), the Rules of the High Court (Cap. 4). In the case of a payment in, if a plaintiff cannot beat the payment in, he should be paid his costs up to the date of payment in, but normally he should be held responsible for his own costs as well as the costs of his opponent incurred thereafter. On the other hand, if he beats the payment in (subject to the de minimus rule), normally he should get the costs of the whole action in the absence of special circumstances.

9. Furthermore, if a party has not acted improperly or unreasonably in raising the issues or making the claims, the fact that he did not succeed on all the issues raised (but still managed to win the case) or that he did not succeed on all his claims (but was still awarded with a substantial judgment in his favour) should not be held against him and render him liable for the other side's costs. But there is leeway for depriving him of part of his own costs of the action in appropriate circumstances. See generally Hong Kong Civil Procedure 2002 Vol. 1 paras. 62/2/6, 62/3/2, 62/3/3 and 62/5/2.

10. In the present case, I cannot say that the difference between the judgment sum of US$470,000 and a total payment in based on US$380,156 plus interest and a small topping-up is insubstantial in amount, whether by itself or in comparison with the total amount of judgment. The de minimus rule is certainly not applicable here.

11. In the English Court of Appeal case of Charm Maritime Incorporation v Elbourne Mitchell, 22/7/97 (unreported), the plaintiffs got judgment in the sum of US$841,070, and thus managed to beat the payment in of US$822,368 by US$19,000. The court did not say that the de minimus principle was applicable (although there were references to how small the margin was), but nonetheless deprived the successful plaintiffs of their costs of the action incurred after the date of payment in, holding that there were special circumstances in that case to justify the exercise of the court's discretion in that manner. Evans L.J. said:

" Should the established rule be qualified, therefore, by reserving to the court some power to order the plaintiff to pay the defendant's costs after the date of payment in, where the payment in came close to matching the amount of the award, even though it fell short of doing so? I think not, essentially for four reasons:

(1) If the plaintiff recovers more than was available to him, then he has succeeded on what became the lis or issue at the trial, as described by Somervell L.J. However small the margin, if he does recover more he cannot be said to have failed;

(2) the advantages of a clear-cut rule outweigh, in my judgment, the consequences of introducing a discretionary element which could lead to uncertainty and give scope for prolonged post-judgment debate.

(3) Mr Stewart contends for a discretion which would operate only in the defendant's favour. If the award is the same as, or any less than, the amount of the payment in, then he submits that the defendant should recover his costs, with no room for the exercise of any discretion in the plaintiff's favour. In my view, this would produce, in the name of justice, a one-sided and unjust result. It could be said that the corollary of the defendants' ability to recover his costs if the two amounts are equal, is that the plaintiff should be entitled to recover his costs if the award is greater.

(4) A clear-cut rule means that the defendant must not underestimate the plaintiff's chances of success, by however small an amount, just as the plaintiff must not be over-optimistic about them. This is consistent, in my view, with the policy considerations described by Denning L.J. in Findlay v. Railway Executive [1950] 2 All E.R. 969, [1950] WN 570 at 974 of the former report.

A possible qualification to the strictly arithmetical rule is that there might be scope for the application of some de minimis principle, defined as "trivialities, matters of little moment, of a trifling and a negligible nature" in Margaronis Navigation Agency Ltd. v. Henry W. Peabody & Co. of London Ltd [1965] 2 Q.B. 430, [1964] 3 All ER 333 at 444 of the former report per Sellers L.J. I am inclined to the view that this qualification, if it exists, could only apply in absolute as opposed to relative terms. $ 10,000 is not negligible, even though it may be a negligible percentage of a multi-million dollar claim. For that reason, I would not hold that a "few thousand dollars" was negligible, even in the present case, and therefore the qualification, if it exists, does not operate here.

In Ritter v. Godfrey [1920] 2 K.B. 47 Atkin L.J. attempted to formulate rules which should be regarded as controlling the exercise of the judge's discretion over costs. It was too late, he held, to contend for an arbitrary discretion over costs (see page 62). Lord Sterndale M.R. held that the discretion must be judicially exercised, and "therefore there must be some grounds for its exercise", and that there was a settled practice of the courts to award the successful litigant his costs "in the absence of special circumstances" (page 53). Lord Sterndale's approach was preferred by the House of Lords in Donald Campbell & Co. v. Pollack [1927] A.C. 732 and it was re-formulated by Viscount Cave L.C. at pages 811-2 in terms which are too familiar to need repetition here.

I come therefore to the second issue. Were there "special circumstances" which enabled the judge to exercise her discretion to deprive the plaintiffs of their costs, and to order them to pay the defendants' costs (in both cases, after the date of payment in), notwithstanding that they were the successful party?

She gave what were essentially two reasons. First, that the two amounts were effectively and for practical purposes the same. Secondly, that the plaintiffs had claimed a far greater amount than the sum for which they obtained judgment.

It becomes necessary at this stage, in my judgment, to distinguish between two different parts of the order that costs follow the event. The losing party has to pay the successful party his costs, in whatever amount is taxed or agreed, and in addition he has to bear his own. If both parts of the order are reversed, so that the successful party fails to recover his own costs and in addition has to pay those of the losing party, then a double penalty is imposed upon him. This is a penalty because it departs from the usual order and it will usually be unjust.

When such an order is contemplated, the Court should recognise that different considerations apply, as between depriving a successful part of his own costs and ordering him to pay all or a part of the other party's : Re Elgindata (No.2) Ltd [1993] 1 All ER 232, [1992] 1 W.L.R. 1207.

In my judgment, the same distinction should be recognised here. The plaintiffs were in fact the successful party, and they should not be ordered to pay any part of the defendants' costs. To do so would be contrary to the authorities on the effects of a payment in to which I have referred above. On the other hand, the Court has a discretion whether or not to order that the plaintiffs should recover part or all of their own costs. For the reasons given by Swinton Thomas L.J. with which I agree I would hold that no such order should be made here.

This seems to me to be a proper exercise of the Court's discretion. Where the plaintiff recovers more than the amount of the payment in, the defendant cannot say that the plaintiff has failed to beat it, and claim an order in his favour on that ground. But the Court can say to both parties, where the defendant has made a payment in but without admitting that that sum was due, "You have each tried for a higher or a lower figure, and in practical terms neither of you has succeeded. You should each pay your own costs of the Court time that you have used"."

12. Swinton Thomas L.J. said in the same case:

" It is clear that the Judge had in the forefront of her mind, as we must, the basic rule that costs follow the event and that a Plaintiff who recovers more than the payment in will recover his costs unless there are special circumstances or it appears to the court that some different order should be made. There remains a discretion which must be exercised judicially but the courts are not tied in a mathematical straight jacket. In this case the Plaintiff has, in the end, after the judgment of this court, beaten the payment in by a few thousand dollars. On the facts of this case, which I have recited but very shortly, any reasonable bystander or onlooker, if told that the Plaintiff had recovered a few thousand dollars more than he had been offered well before the trial began, would, in my judgment, take the view that the Plaintiff should pay the costs incurred since the date the offer was made. That, also, was the view of the trial judge, whose views on the case as a whole must be treated with great respect.

In my judgment, on the particular facts of this case as finally resolved in this Court, the Plaintiffs clearly were at fault in that they should have accepted the sum that was offered. Also it can be said that the Defendants were at fault in not paying into court the amount that was eventually recovered by the Plaintiff's. I have no difficulty in concluding that there are special circumstances in this case justifying the Court in departing from the general rule or concluding in the circumstances of this case some other order than the normal one should be made.

The Judge's view, having heard the case, was that the Plaintiff should pay the Defendants' costs after the payment in even if they beat the payment in by a few thousand dollars. I have considerable sympathy with that view, and, indeed as she was exercising a discretion, there must be proper grounds for this Court coming to a different conclusion. When the Judge was considering this issue on the first occasion she was doing so in the abstract, in the sense that the actual figure was not then ascertained. When she considered the costs issue on the second occasion, on her findings, the Plaintiffs had failed to beat the payment in. We are dealing with a different situation, namely one where the Plaintiffs have beaten the payment in, albeit by a small margin. Accordingly we can, in my view, exercise our discretion afresh but, in doing so, we must place considerable weight on the trial Judge's views on this issue.

I am quite satisfied that the circumstances of this case give rise to special circumstances justifying departure from the usual rule and that some order other than the usual order should be made. In the end, orders for costs are blunt instruments, and a court, having considered the principles and the authorities can do no more than attempt to reach a result which does broad justice as between the parties. In this case, I have concluded that that result can best be achieved by ordering that the Defendants pay the Plaintiffs costs to the date of payment into court, and that each party should bear its own costs thereafter."

13. As I see it, if the de minimus principle applies on the facts, the plaintiff should normally be regarded as having failed to beat the payment in, in which case not only should he not be entitled to get costs from the defendant that were incurred after the payment in, he should be ordered to pay the costs of the defendant incurred after the payment in. However, where the plaintiff beats the payment in by a margin which cannot be described as trifle or negligible, he should normally get costs from the defendant save in special circumstances when he may be deprived of his costs of the action wholly or partially or from a particular date. It would take even more exceptional circumstances to justify any order that he bear in whole or in part the costs of his unsuccessful opponent.

14. In Charm, Evans L.J. in the passage extracted above clearly did not treat the case before the court as a case for the application of the de minimus rule, the difference there being US$19,000 in the context of a judgment in the sum of US$841,070. What has been done in Charm may however be explained by reference to the principle I outlined above, namely, that when a party was more ambitious with his claim than its merits justified, whilst the Court should not in the absence of improper or unreasonable conduct order him to pay the other side's costs of the action or the relevant part thereof, it may in appropriate circumstances deprive him of part of his costs of the action, particularly when there was a payment in which was only beaten by a small margin.

15. In the present case, as I said, the difference between the judgment sum and the total payment in is far too substantial for the application of the principle. That notwithstanding, I agree with Mr. Jat, counsel for the Defendant, that there are some similarities between our case and Charm, even though each case turns on its own facts. Equally one can say to both parties here (as Evans L.J. did in Charm) that "You have each tried for a higher or a lower figure, and in practical terms neither of you has succeeded." Whether one can go on to say (as the learned judge did on the facts of that case) that "You should each pay your own costs of the Court time that you have used" is however more debatable, and must be determined by reference to the facts of the present case.

16. I also agree with Mr. Jat's argument that the Plaintiff had really put in very little by way of evidence to justify his very substantial claims in respect of service and maintenance. I will not repeat here what I have said in the Judgment in relation to these two items of claim, the amount and quality of evidence adduced by the Plaintiff on whom the burden of proof lied to establish the claims, the difficulty faced by the Court in adjudicating on the claims, and how eventually the two awards of US$50,000 and US$40,000 were arrived at.

17. Looking at it from the angle of the Defendant, there was indeed some justification for its total rejection of the two claims in calculating the appropriate amount of payment in, as well as its resistance of the two claims in their entirety up to the very end. And had it not been for evidence emerging here and there at the trial itself, there would have been no or insufficient evidence to support the final awards for damages in relation to the two items of claim in question. Further, I think it should be quite apparent from my Judgment how close the contest in relation to the two items of claim was. I think all this can and should be taken into account in considering how my discretion on costs should be exercised.

18. As regards the correspondence, I am of the view that unless it demonstrates that the Plaintiff had behaved very badly or was (with fault on his part) responsible for the need for a trial when the case could and should have been settled reasonably, the correspondence, or matters like who offered what, should not be taken into account. The Court should be very slow to look at correspondence on settlement or attempted settlement in deciding questions of costs, when the matter could be put beyond doubt by the making of an appropriate payment in, which is still the only sure means in our present system of litigation by which a defendant may legitimately and effectively exert pressure on a plaintiff to settle his claim on reasonable terms.

19. Having looked at the correspondence between the parties, I do not think the Plaintiff has behaved so badly in the negotiations or attempted negotiations that he should be held responsible for the need for a trial. His earlier stance on the matter could at least to some extent be explained by the justifiable grievance he felt in the whole matter. Although his eventual position was still very far off the mark, this would suggest to me a lack of judgement rather than any culpability on his part. I do not think this is something that can be taken into account in the exercise of my discretion on costs. If I were wrong, the weight to be attached to such a factor would be relatively insignificant in any event.

20. One further matter that I should specifically mention as constituting part of my consideration on costs is this. Despite the fact that the very substantial payments in made by the Defendant was obviously premised on a concession on liability, no such concession was made in the open. Instead, the Plaintiff was made to fight every inch of the battle at trial. Much time, effort and costs were expended on liability. Experts were called giving lengthy evidence on computer science. At the end of the day, the Defendant lost on all grounds on which it relied to resist liability.

21. This fact, in my judgment, has the effect of taking away some if not much of the force of the Defendant's argument based on the payments in and the case of Charm. Unlike the two claims on maintenance and service regarding which the Defendant may say both parties failed, the Defendant cannot say the same thing in relation to liability. Rather the Plaintiff is fully justified to say that the Defendant came to Court to resist liability but failed, and therefore must pay the costs at least in relation to liability.

22. Bearing all the above in mind as well as all other relevant circumstances, I am of the view that the order nisi as to costs should be varied to reflect that the Plaintiff only managed to succeed in a relatively insignificant manner his claims for damages relating to maintenance and service, and that the most unsatisfactory evidence (both in terms of amount and quality) that the Plaintiff put in to prove these two claims must have to some extent affected or clouded the judgement of the Defendant in evaluating their worth for the purpose of determining the appropriate amount of payment in.

23. The variation only relates to the Plaintiff's costs to be recovered from the Defendant, and leaves untouched the costs of the Defendant, which must be borne by the Defendant itself. This is a very different situation from one where a plaintiff fails to beat a payment in, in which case he has to pay the costs of the defendant incurred after the date of payment in.

24. As to the extent, in my judgment, a 15% reduction of the costs incurred after the two payments in would seem to me to be fair and reasonable.

25. In other words, I order that my order nisi on costs be varied as follows, namely, that the Defendant pay to the Plaintiff his costs of the action including the counterclaim that were incurred on or before 2nd April 1998 and 85% thereof that were incurred thereafter, to be taxed if not agreed.

26. There is another outstanding matter. In the Judgment I handed down, I ordered that interest be paid on top of the judgment sum, which is in US dollars. The parties now ask me for clarification as to whether the interest rate should be that for US dollars or Hong Kong dollars.

27. I would now clarify that interest on the judgment sum as ordered in my Judgment should be based on the US dollar interest rate applicable from time to time.

28. As regards the costs of the present application, the Defendant seeks either a total or 50% deprivation of the Plaintiff's costs of the action and counterclaim after the payments in; whereas the Plaintiff argues that there should be no reduction. At the end of the day, I rule that there should be a reduction of 15%, which is a substantial reduction (particularly given the amount of costs likely involved), but is nowhere near the percentages suggested by the Defendant. Neither party is wholly successful, or for that matter, unsuccessful.

29. As regards interest, the time expended on it was minimal as only a simple clarification from the Court was required.

30. I think it fair in the exercise of my discretion not to make any order as to costs. I make no order as to costs.

Andrew Cheung
Deputy Judge of the Court of First Instance
High Court

Representation:

Mr. John Kerr instructed by Messrs. Lee & Chow, for the Plaintiff.

Mr. Jat Sew Tong instructed by Messrs. Lovells, for the Defendant.

Plaintiff's appeal allowed by Court of Appeal. Please refer to CACV299/2002 dated 7 March 2003

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HO LAI CHUEN, CADIA t/a RESOLUTION SOFTWARE CONSULTANTS v. XEROX (HONG KONG) LTD.

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HCA006454/1997

HCA6454/1997

IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE

HONG KONG SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGION

COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE

ACTION NO. HCA 6454 OF 1997

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BETWEEN
HO LAI CHUEN, CADIA TRADING AS RESOLUTION SOFTWARE CONSULTANTSPlaintiff
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XEROX (HONG KONG) LIMITEDDefendant

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Coram: Deputy Judge Andrew Cheung in Court

Date of hearing: 11 December 2001 at 11.31 am

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1. This is the seventh day of a trial between the parties relating to an alleged breach of contract for the sale and purchase of a certain computer software program. Ever since the first day of the trial, the defendant's side is assisted by LiveNote-taker, providing instantaneous on screen transcript service of the trial.

2. Moreover, at the end of each day, a hard copy of the transcript is provided for the use by the defendant which engaged the LiveNote-taker. With the agreement of the plaintiff's side, the court has also been made available the use of a laptop displaying the instantaneous transcript produced by the LiveNote-taker, as well as a hard copy of the transcript on a daily basis.

3. I emphasise the agreement of the plaintiff because, without the agreement of the plaintiff, as I had said, or ruled, on the first day of the hearing, I would not have allowed the laptop to remain on my table or allowed the provision of the transcript in the form of a hard copy to me on a daily basis, my view being that this would amount to a unilateral communication with the court by one party.

4. This morning Mr Kerr, counsel for the plaintiff, made an application for discovery of the LiveNote transcript, both in relation to the soft form as well as the hard form - or the soft copy as well as the hard copy.

5. He relied on Documentary Evidence (7th edition) by Charles Hollander QC and Tom Adam, paragraph 9-12 and paragraph 9-13, to the effect that transcript of proceedings in open court, or for that matter in chambers, taken by anyone, including shorthand writers and, for that purpose, including LiveNote-taker, does not attract any legal professional privilege and is therefore liable to be disclosed by the party engaging in the note-taking process.

6. The relevant passages in the textbook relied on a number of older English authorities, including Re Worthwick (1888) 38 Ch D 370, Rawstone v Preston (1885) 30 Ch D 116, as well as Ainsworth v Wilding [1900] 2 Ch 315, all to the effect that no privilege attached to these shorthand notes or transcripts and they should be disclosed by the party obtaining the notes or the transcripts.

7. Mr Kerr therefore argued that, similarly, the LiveNote transcript obtained by the defendant in the present case should be disclosed.

8. This application was objected to by Mr Jat, counsel for the defendant. Mr Jat argued and pointed out that in all those authorities relied on by Mr Kerr, they related to discovery of transcript obtained in a previous set of proceedings, and therefore Mr Jat drew the distinction that, whereas the transcript could be relevant to either the issues in the second action or the issue of credibility in the second action, and therefore the transcript in the first action should be disclosed, the situation is different when one is talking about discovery of the transcript of the trial in the very action in which the trial took place. So Mr Jat argued that the transcript of the trial itself could not be relevant to the issues in the action.

9. For my part, I cannot see any logical distinction between the two. Either the transcript is relevant to the issues, or it is not relevant to the issues. Either the transcript is relevant to the question of credibility, or it is not relevant to the question of credibility. The fact that it so happens that the issues or the question of credibility arose in a second action does not alter the fact or the question of relevancy. A second action can raise precisely the same issues as an earlier one.

10. Moreover, I do not agree with Mr Jat when he argued that, at trial, it is only what a witness orally said and how he or she behaved, i.e. the demeanour, which would be relevant to a trial judge. In my judgment, a record of what the witness said is a document relevant by itself to, for example, the truthfulness of what he or she said, as well as being relevant to the question of credibility of that witness.

11. As Mr Kerr pointed out, very often in an appeal, all that the Court of Appeal would have, or would have to rely on, is the transcript in order to decide the issues between the parties in that action, or in appropriate cases, the credibility of the witnesses in question.

12. For my part, I can see no real distinction between the transcript and, for example, a previous police statement made by a witness outside court.

13. So for all these reasons, in my judgment, the transcript is relevant to the issues in the action and, moreover, since Mr Jat accepts the authorities cited by the other side relating to the question of legal professional privilege, or perhaps more correctly, the absence of the privilege, in my judgment, a prima facie case for the discovery of the LiveNote transcript has been made out.

14. But then Mr Jat reminded me of Order 24, Rule 8, and perhaps I could add Order 24, Rule 13, relating to discovery and production of documents, in which the test of discovery and production as being necessary has been imposed by the rules.

15. The burden, for some reason, is not the same under the two rules; it is on the party applying for production under Rule 13 but is on the party resisting discovery under Rule 8, but at the end of the day, in the context of the present application, in my judgment, it does not really matter. The test is whether it is necessary either for disposing fairly of the cause or matter or for saving costs. I agree that this is the test which I need to apply my mind to.

16. For my part, I would say that the provision of the LiveNote transcript to the plaintiff, bearing in mind that the defendant as well as the court have the benefit of the LiveNote transcript and in the circumstances of this relatively long trial, is a step which would likely lead to some saving of costs. If nothing else, it would speed up the giving of evidence by the witnesses.

17. Given the well-known accuracy of the LiveNote transcript, that would also help to minimise disputes over what a witness has said or has not said in the witness-box, both for the sake of examination of witnesses as well as the general conduct of the trial. So in my judgment, discovery of the transcript would tend to save the costs of the proceedings.

18. So for all those reasons, I am ordering that there be discovery and production of the LiveNote transcript.

19. Now, that leaves me with the form of discovery and production. Mr Kerr told me that he applied for full and instantaneous discovery. By that he is really asking for the provision of a laptop so that he could have the transcript available to his very eyes in an instantaneous manner, and he also wants a hard copy every day.

20. I suppose Mr Jat's side does not really have any real objection to it, provided that the plaintiff is prepared to share half of the cost of the provision, which amounts to around $7,000 per day, so I was told. Mr Jat also indicated to me that, on the other hand, if one is simply talking about the provision of an extra set of transcript (i.e. a hard copy) at the end of each day, the cost charged by the LiveNote company would only be around $500.

21. The rules and, more particularly, Order 24, Rule 11A(2), actually says that if a party on the receiving end of a successful discovery application is required to produce a copy of the document in question - and bearing in mind that the word "document" has a very wide meaning - he must, within seven days, provide or supply a copy to the other side with an account of the "reasonable charges".

22. As I said, Mr Jat, in effect, argued that, in the present case, the reasonable charges for the provision of any copy, soft or hard, would be half of the cost charged by LiveNote, i.e. around $7,000. On the other hand, Mr Kerr argued that this would really be a matter of taxation; anything over and above the normal photocopying charge sanctioned by the court would have to be the subject of a specific application by the defendant during the taxation stage.

23. That might well be so in relation to a hard copy, but Mr Kerr is asking for a soft copy. So in my judgment, if he asks for a soft copy, he must pay the reasonable charges for a soft copy, and the charge is $7,000 per day, according to Mr Jat. I can see no good answer to that demand.

24. So far as the past six days' cost is concerned, that had been incurred by the defendant without knowing that, on the seventh day, they would be asked to disclose the transcript. And for the past six days, there is no question of the provision of any soft copy to Mr Kerr. But as regards the transcript from today onwards, certainly, it is open, at least in theory, to the defendant to stop using the LiveNote. If they continue to use the LiveNote, that would be on the understanding that a soft copy would be provided to the other side, pursuant to the order that I am going to make.

25. In my judgment, it is reasonable for Mr Jat's side to expect the plaintiff to be paying half of the cost of the soft copy from today onwards as the reasonable charges for the provision of the LiveNote. I note that the word "reasonable" is used instead of the word "necessary" which is the criterion used on a party and party taxation. So it is really more akin to a common fund taxation if taxation is a good analogy. Equality is equity.

26. So in the exercise of my discretion, if there is any in the matter, but in any event, in my judgment, the reasonable cost or charge for the provision of a soft copy, i.e. an instantaneous copy of the transcript, is really half the cost charged by LiveNote and, as indicated to me, it should be in the region of $7,000.

27. I am not sure if it is worthwhile for the parties really to work out the actual amount up to the last dollar and cent. I would impose a ballpark figure of $7,000 per day, this matter having taken up a sufficiently long time of the trial already. So $7,000 per day for the provision of the soft copy. But if Mr Kerr is content with a hard copy every day, then, in my judgment, a reasonable charge would be $500 as an extra user.

28. I believe I have dealt with all the matters argued before me this morning. For the purpose of the record, I note the time taken for the argument. We started at 10.25 and it is now 11.50. I shall now hear the parties on the question of costs, if they want to apply for a separate order relating to the costs of this application. If not, then we will press on with the trial.

Andrew Cheung
Deputy High Court Judge

Representation:

Present: Mr John Kerr, instructed by Messrs Lee & Chow, for the Plaintiff

Mr Jat Sew Tong, instructed by Messrs Lovells, for the Defendant